0:01 And now, The Shaping Truth Podcast with Jim Scalfani. How many people have interviewed you? You've been interviewed by a lot of people. Over the years, since I started YouTube, probably 15 times. And how do they go? Are they usually like,0:27 Don't they ask all the same questions? So tell me how long you've been doing this and why do you do it? Well, it depends. It depends on who's doing it. I don't want to make fun of the people that I've interviewed because, you know, they get mad. But, I mean, haven't they kind of... Don't they all kind of ask the same questions? Honestly, they don't. I mean... Really? They do, like...0:56 how did you get started, is always asked. Always. But some of them like to get into the dirt that's been talked about me online. They like the drama. They pray for the drama. I don't do that. My question, how long has it been? You said 15 years? Oh, it's been since 2007. So what is that? It's been 18 years.01:22 It doesn't matter. My thought is it doesn't really matter. You sharing how, because you can't, it's not this, nothing's the same. Say again. You can't do, you can't start the same way. Nothing is the same. Oh my God. It looks like I need to make this. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like it doesn't, it doesn't. The answer is still the same. How did you get started? I was making barbecue sauce. I was doing a full line of sauces.01:53 My brother, Charles, called and said, hey, I got an idea. You should do like a cooking tip, and then at the end, advertise your sauces. I said, okay, let's try it. So then we tested out three videos. We got thousands of views. They did real well, and the rest is history. By the way, the sauce business went under. I know. Isn't that weird?02:21 Well, a lot of things went under because of the pandemic. Yeah. Our manufacturer went under, that's why. Yeah, I didn't get a job because of the pandemic. Such a weird time, dude. It was. I don't care what you think or believe, the pandemic was hell. Yeah. I mean, I was up for a big job. Say again? I was up for a big job. Really? Yeah. The one at Skechers.02:50 Oh, that's right. Yeah. I was waiting for the offer letter, October 20th. Yeah. So, you know, what's weird. When did California shut down? It was that week. March. It wasn't. Oh, no, it wasn't. March. So I wasn't in California. I was here. I don't know. And I, I wasn't, I was in California. Yeah.03:18 I left before. People, one of their interview questions to possible new employers is, do you require people to wear a mask during the pandemic? Did you? And if you did, people are like, yeah, I'm not sure I want to work here. Because I'm not getting the shot. I'm not wearing a mask. You're not going to dictate to me.03:45 Anything but work. Even now? Even now they do that? It's been so... Yeah. I know people who still ask. Really? Because... No, it doesn't... Because it's not because we're going to have another pandemic. No, I know. They say... The thinking of the company. Right. They think it's a... All right. So I came up with some questions that I wanted to ask you. So I wanted to come up with something that shows a different part of who you are. Right.04:16 You know, I mean, because when I describe you and I think the way people see you is very different. Oh, totally. So how do you think I see you? As a brother. I think I see tall. As a brother, but you see us.04:39 You see us for all the good and the bad and everything. You know everything. But if I was going to describe Chal, how do you think I'd describe him? Exactly for who he is, a perfectionist. He thinks he's smarter than everybody in the room. He honestly cares about people, but in a different way than the way we care about people. How do you explain that? Okay, ready?05:06 I would have no problem walking up to another man and hugging him. Neither would you. If he was upset, crying or something. No, a friend. Oh, a friend, yeah. I would hug the friend. I don't know. I'm not a hugger. No, no, but you would have no problem doing it. Charles would never on a good day. He would never on a bad day. Charles would never hug anybody. Why?05:37 No. He's not like that. I don't know. I'm not a hugger. But I mean, I don't know that I would. What? I don't know that I would either. Really? You would have an issue with that? No, not an issue. It's not an issue. I don't have an issue. If someone said, hey, I need a hug, that's different. But I'm not a hugger. I wouldn't think to hug. But Charles would not.06:04 I think you'd say no if somebody asked for a hug. I don't think it depends on Charles' relationship. But I think Charles doesn't... What are you laughing at? Because I'm just imagining Charles hugging somebody. Charles hugged me? We're his brothers. That's different. We're immediate. I'm talking a co-worker or a friend. Really? Wow. I don't...06:33 I don't know. Maybe I just more mechanical robotic. You're more organic living. That's how I see it. I don't know that. I don't, I don't know. Okay. For example, no matter what question to ask you, I'm not a hugger though. Two question. You bring it in. You think about it. It has to make you feel good.07:01 And then you come up, you form a good logical answer. It goes in like a computer. It gets processed. It gets spit out. That's how I see it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like you're doing right now. You're seeing how it makes you feel, how you really feel about it.07:26 You go straight for that, Charles would be like, oh, no. The majority, 45%, would be like... Probably because he's already thought about it, and I haven't thought about it. Like, he thinks about everything. I don't think... I don't know. I don't... He's his own weirdness. I love him, but he's his own weirdness. Yeah, I've often thought he was autistic. He might be, dude. He may have a... If you're both autistic...07:55 His autism is way different. Yeah. He's completely autistic at a whole other level. Yeah, I mean, he's functioning. Autistic people call him autistic. Yeah, I know. So, how do you think I describe you? Emotional. Alright. And I don't mean that so much in a positive way as...08:25 You know, like, I would lose my temper easily. Why are you like that? Why? Okay, because of the strokes? I know, but before... No, no, no. Because the strokes are more than I have ever been. All right, well, let's not... Before the strokes, okay. Um...08:52 Do you think the stroke actually makes you more, what do you call it, temperamental? Yeah. You do? Have you researched that? Oh, no. Tammy's told me. Oh, all right. She would know. She would know. Like, yeah, you're more argumentative. Tammy's a lot easier. What do you think that is about? You think it's?09:15 personally I think it's just years of dealing with people and crap and everything I know but Jack we all deal with that I mean like what we all deal with it right but I mean I'm less but I mean I'm less okay you're less only because you made it a point to work on it I mean did I did I you did I have to work on it therapy no no but we're talking about temper09:46 well your therapy worked on everything about you oh is that how it works what is that how it works i've never gone to therapy no i i know i know but but i but i never had i don't think i had anger issues i mean i never really had i never really had anger issues10:06 Well, I don't have anger issues. No, no, no. I know, I know. Getting upset over one-offs. But at people, I don't get angry at people. Okay, so let's back up. There's a lot here to unpack. I want to make sure that there's a lot. I just want to make sure. Okay, so let's define anger issues. So anger issues is someone who gets angry and can't control it. Okay. Okay.10:36 Do you think that you get angry and you can't control it? No. Not being able to control it, I can. But I have to work at it harder. I have to be more aware. I'm making temper and anger synonymous. I'm making them the same. I don't... I mean, your temper gets you before you get time to kind of11:04 Right, for example. Okay, so then you could say you have anger issues. Partial. All right, partial. I'm not here to label. I'm just trying to, like, so 10%, I mean, like, how much do you really give in? I haven't sat down and tried to figure out. All right, I know. Let's say, like, control. You're not as much as control.11:34 Because you can walk up to Chal and push a button, you know, and then he's like off to the races. Yeah, I know. Chal gets angry over different things. That's the difference. Wait, wait. That's a different. I'm talking about. You know what sets Chal off the most? Wait, wait, wait. That's different. We're talking about percent. Like he gets, he can get zero to 100 over like many things, right?12:02 And if you, you know, the way he, you know, the thing, let me finish. If he feels like you're not listening to him. What is that about? What is that about? Because... What? I don't know. When has anybody in his life not listened to him? Like, when? They argued all the time. I know, but mom always listened. No. No, she didn't. Because...12:31 No, mom's like, because I said so. But that's different. He still got to say what he wanted to. She never said, shut your mouth, don't talk, don't say anything else. That was not who she was. He always got to say, he always got what he wanted out. He did more than me and you.12:54 She listened to him longer than she would listen to him. I know, but this is Charles driving forwards. Where does that, like, why? Like, he acts like he had the hard life. I know I will often say that about you, too. Oh, I know. I know why. Why? Because he thinks he's completely right. Don't even bother talking right now until I explain why I'm right.13:24 And when you interrupt him or you veer him or whatever, that's when he loses it. He's like, can you let me finish? But why is that a thing? He's an old man. Why is that a thing? I don't know. I mean, I just, I find I'm so like no one in his life tries to overtalk him. There's no one because no one would ever win. So like,13:51 Why? Where does that... I think he comes from school. Other people. I think it's outside of the family. Everybody listen to him. There was no one pushing Chal down. Who? That we saw. I didn't hang out with him in school. I saw you more in school than him. Billy. His friend.14:18 Whatever friends he had. Billy was stupider than Tom. But I mean, he didn't push him down. I don't understand why this is like the one huge thing that he... I just find that super amazing. I don't know if we find out why people become that way. We can probably isolate it and go, yeah, I see.14:42 I don't know. I just find that really interesting that he's so... Lots of times, Charles talks to people that don't understand what he's trying to say. Let me explain. Otis, teachers, workers, co-workers, he's always done that. He's always known the answer. Whoops, sorry. He's always known the answer.15:11 But if you would just shut up and listen, and I can get it all out of my mouth. He says it just like that too, man. I know. He has to. He knows his answers right. But I understand that. I mean, I think we, like, I don't, I don't come from that place. But my thought is, if he knows his answers are right, why he doesn't just, why he's not calm about it. Like, why, what that is.15:41 because we started off what makes him angry that makes him mental right I mean like he gets he gets like crazed and I'm like and he doesn't see it of all the years he's dealt with people that didn't listen I don't I think I never saw it I never saw it I don't think he could even name someone16:12 Teachers, I know that for a fact. He would tell a teacher, that's not right. Programming classes, whatever. But that's not enough. He was... I don't know. I don't know. Okay, so Chal... Chal has to be right even when he's wrong, dude. I mean...16:35 we were arguing about something and he denies it today, but I know he said I was right. It was something. And I remember part of mom is in him. No, I remember it was about white privilege. Okay. And it was on Liz's birthday. It was me, Max, Rachel. I'm in the front Charles driving. The three are in the back. And17:04 I said, Charles, you've got to admit that life was easy. Oh, we all know you had to pay for your braces. We get it. I mean, we are- How many times have we heard that story? Huh? How many times have we heard that story? A lot. But I mean, I'm going to make the volume bigger so I can hear you. But-17:28 I said, I go, Charles, you've had it really well. I go, you're not in a minority. Oh, I mean, I go, you're not. You've got one, you're white, you're male, you're straight. It's just different. He could not, would not give me that. And this was years ago. We argued all the way to the restaurant.17:51 through the entire meal and all the way back, everybody went to bed and we were still arguing. And then I was trying to like be calm and, and, and Charles was like, that would outrage him even more. No, no. And no, he's fine with that. And let him talk, you know? And then he was like, all right, I can kind of see it. He, I go, wait, you do? He goes, yeah, I can kind of see it.18:19 And then I was like, that's all I just want you to see. Can you see it from my perspective? So the next morning, we're talking about this argument that we've had. And I go, Liz, I go, he finally admitted that he was wrong. It was like the first time. He goes, no, I didn't. I was like, yeah, you did. Like, you did. That's why I went to bed. Like, we were done. He's like, no, I didn't. I go, Charles.18:43 You admitted that you were wrong. I don't know. I didn't like, he can't ever say, I don't remember, or maybe like he's positive. Like me, I'm always like, I don't think I did, but I'm like, I just, I'm not so definitive about it. So anyways, my point was we were arguing about white privilege and he still didn't agree with it. And I was like, you think, you think being white, straight male,19:13 didn't help you and then you want to argue privilege versus well I'm like whatever I'm not going to get into that so but I don't understand where his anger comes from yours I can see because there are some things that you went through in life I get it you know where do you think your anger comes from even before the stroke um I have no idea where it comes from19:44 Isn't that weird? You don't even know why? I have no idea. I have no root cause of my anger. I'm not angry about anything. No, I know. You're not. I love, even with my partial disability, I'm still able to do everything. Yeah. I mean, who wants to go skiing, right? Well, I mean, and your life, the people in your life.20:11 are all amazing and supportive. A new grandbaby. Everything's going good. Like Jack Jr. Right. Does he have a temper? Yes. Gaming. That's all. He loses his job. When he was a kid, he played one of his friends gaming.20:37 And he lost his junk. I mean, he used every racial slur he could come up with. He was so pissed. And his buddy recorded him and put it on the internet. Jack Jr. is not calm when he's gaming. Why? What does that mean?21:03 I think most gamers are like that. By the way. He's not really a gamer, is he? No, he still games until 2 in the morning. With a baby. He games until feeding time. I guess I don't understand that because I've never been that. Okay, so 90% of my trolls that I deal with on the internet are gamers. Really? Yeah.21:30 Yeah. Gaming creates this very aggressive anger. All? Mostly. Mostly? Mostly. Like 90%, dude. Not because they're like, what? I don't know nothing about gaming. They're frustrated young teenagers, usually. And they have a keyboard, and they feel like they can say anything.21:57 so and when you shut them up they get even worse excuse me so when i block somebody from my channel like i'm on a live chat right it's called the boys club i just put you in the boys club and i have merchandise i have shirts it says welcome to the boys club and it's got an emoji with tape over his mouth22:26 see you think it's funny i got hats too and and they sell it's become a big thing i created the boys club like five years ago and when i put something in the boys club i ring the bell you do yeah oh i just made the dogs bark why because they heard the bell oh oh um22:53 I want to, because we've been on the phone for a while, but I want to, like, there's so much I want to ask you, and I don't want to waste it at all on Charles. No, go ahead. Go ahead. So I made some, I wanted to come up with questions I would ask you. My work is about to start, too, which is fine. What is something that you've always wanted to ask me but never did because you thought it might change how I see you?23:22 No, never existed. There was nothing I don't know about you. I know every nook and cranny. Everything that I would never worry about. All right, you ready? Yeah. If tomorrow we had to switch lives for a week, me doing your creative work and you running my world, what would...23:49 You'd be totally terrified of doing. And what would you secretly enjoy? Leave the gay thing, the gay stuff out. Wait. I didn't even go there. I'm thinking about calling you right away for help. On what? On work. I'd be sitting in your office going, I don't know how to design crap. I don't design. That's not what I do. Well, whatever you do, depending on where you're working.24:18 Yeah. You've done both. Yeah. I mean, I do now. You've done design. But Jack, you would, you would totally, you would, you're like, what are we working on? And they like a sofa and you'd be like, okay. All right. Make sure there's a cushion. That's that would be me. I, I wouldn't care about color. I wouldn't care about shape. If you can hold my butt. Jack, are you saying that you wouldn't care about the color of your sofa? It can be purple.24:51 I don't know if they make purple furniture. They do. But would you want purple? I'd go natural. That's all. I'd go brown, black, gray. Black? You'd do black? Well, black isn't natural. Brown is. Tan is. Gray's a little crossing over. Gray's not considered natural, but that's okay. Right. That's what I'm saying. But you'd do gray? Dark gray? Oh, we have dark gray right now.25:20 Oh no, we have light gray. Medium kind of. I'm just trying to be real. We have dark. We have light. Our couches look like your back wall. On camera. I don't know what it looks like in real life. Yeah, that's right. Alright. I couldn't do anything in your world. I could only feed the dogs. That would be it.25:50 We were talking about earlier, we were talking about managing people, and I was thinking... Oh, I can manage people. I don't have a problem with that. But we were talking about temper. You know, I don't know if my temper would flare as bad at a job site. Right. There's your job mode.26:19 Yeah, a whole other person comes out when it's job mode. If I'm training somebody for YouTube, I've never lost my job. That's not who you are. How do you think people see you? It's different because you put different hats. It depends because it's one way or the other.26:50 How do you think your audience sees you? It depends. Half my audience sees me as very loving and caring and always careful about what's going on, what's being said, what's being talked about, that people don't get hurt, that people are safe. The other half doesn't care for me that much.27:16 Okay, how do you think they see you? How do you think the people that don't care for you see you? Fake. Fake. Fake. What I mean by that is a lot of people, I've told people time and time again, don't call me chef. People will be polite and they'll say chef. And I'm like, no, I'm a home cook.27:46 I don't deserve the title. You know? I keep telling them I'm not as good as people say. I'm just a regular dude. Right, I get that. So, half think that I'm a phony. I'm trying to be something I'm not. Well, how? You don't come across as someone who's uppity. It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with... Okay, this guy can't cook.28:14 He's got half a million people to watch him. You don't deserve the show. He's going to kill his family. They're just real hateful. I'm trying to figure out how they still see that as being fake. They can say I don't like his cooking, but how is that fake? Because I'm pretending everything's good. I'm pretending the food tastes great. I'm pretending. Well, that's just a liar. But if that's a lie, I don't see you as. That's what they think. They don't believe me as being truthful.28:45 Oh, that's different than fake, right? For example, oh, you stole that. Oh, hey, I did that for you. Oh, you know, they're always questioning everything I do. And I get that, but that's still not being fake, right? Fake is someone who pretends. You're right. Do they see you as fake is my question then.29:08 I don't know. I don't know if fake is dishonest. I mean, it is. Yes, fake is dishonest, but that doesn't mean that's what you are. Even if you were lying, that doesn't mean you're fake. Okay, let me give you an example. I offered to buy. Somebody gave me a good idea for the show. Oh, great. So I said, you know what? Pick any show shirt you want, show shirt, and I'll mail it to you.29:38 As a thank you. Yeah. As he got live on the show. Yeah, that's nice. When he got the shirt, he thought, wow, I didn't think you'd really do it. People. Yeah, but I know that's who you are. I mean it. Yeah, I get that. You may be wrong, but I mean it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't think I mean it. Does that make sense?30:01 Yeah, but do you think that's because of you or because they think people in general? People in general. They don't know me. Right. So fake is not real. Do they use the word fake? No, no. Okay. All right. But they accuse me all the time of not whatever. And I would probably challenge that, that they're not accusing you30:30 They're just asking you to prove that you're still who you are. Right? Because if they thought you were... They check your realism all the time. I think they're doing that for them.30:48 Oh, yeah, I know they are. Yeah. Okay, not for you. I didn't say it bothered me. I got used to it. Okay. All right. But I know it's because they've been lied to so much. Yeah, yeah. So how do you think people see you? Because if they think you're lying, you prove them wrong. So that's not good. So how do you think they see you? You said either...31:14 When they honestly really get to know me, like some viewers, we've become good friends. Yeah. They realize I'm just a regular guy. I'm a nice guy. I would never hurt anybody. You know, other things become realized. I think you could get mad enough where you would actually...31:40 Not hurt someone. I think you could probably put someone in their place, though. Well, let me tell you what just happened. There was a guy. We were friends. I made him one of my moderators on the live show on Facebook. He had communication with me. Phone call, whatever. It was a little bit closer than a regular viewer. Okay.32:09 And the one thing he would always do, though, I don't know why. Let's say you posted about the car wash. You went to the car wash. You had a great time. He would immediately post, oh, I bet that he would challenge you by whatever you wrote.32:31 This show was great. He'd tell you why it wasn't. This car is the best. He'd tell you why it's not. I'd put up a picture. He'd go, oh, that's AI. He was always challenging, right? And I privately spoke with him about it. I said, look, I said, you challenge 100% of what I post. And what did he say? Go back and look, I told him.32:59 No, no, I know. What did he say? Did he believe you? Oh, no, no. Well, we're just having a conversation. It's just normal talk and all that. I mean, it was a bunch of excuses. I'm like, dude, stop it. He did it again. I blocked him off everything. He no longer can watch my show, talk with me on any platform. But there was a red flag in there for you. For me?33:26 Yeah, a guy challenged. Friends don't do that. A good friend doesn't do that. I challenge you all the time. Wait, not publicly. My rule on my social media is if you correct me publicly, you're trying to hurt me. If you write me through Messenger privately and go, hey, Jack, you said this, this isn't right.33:50 Why is that bad? Because they're trying to embarrass you in front of their audience. Does that embarrass you when someone says that's not when they give you a correction? It doesn't embarrass me, but it's like belittling me. It's disrespecting me. You feel disrespected? Yeah. I expect you to write me privately because you can.34:17 Why would you do it in front of everybody? Let's say I spelled something wrong. You would probably get on the phone and go, hey, Jack. Or you would text me. Yeah, I mean, because I think it would feel weird if your brother did that. You know what I mean? And spelled that wrong. No. Other people write me privately to correct me. I'm always open for correction. You know what? I emailed a34:48 someone that I listened to something that it was like something that he did. He was interviewing someone and he didn't let the other person finish. I was like, you know, you really interrupt. And I didn't take it as a disrespect thing. Once again, wait a minute. Posting it online in front of 40,000 people and writing me privately directly? I didn't. I posted it.35:17 Right. Don't post it. Write them directly. If you're correcting somebody, do not correct them in front of everybody. But everybody does that. It's like correcting your wife in front of company. But it's different because you have a relationship with your wife. It's always more personal. No, it's not. It's not different. If you're my true friend, you're not going to try and embarrass me. But you're saying you don't even get embarrassed by that.35:46 Wait, I don't anymore. But the reason you did it publicly, when you could have simply clicked the button right next to it and privately brought me? Art, I hear you. But they know that's my rule. I've talked about it many times over the years. I'm not saying that it should be a rule. I'm just saying I don't know that it's something that people would even...36:13 You know, because, I mean, I don't know that people would kind of say, hey, you know, that's a thing. You know, I don't know. Let's give an example. Let's say you're having a conversation with Erica. Okay. Okay. And she says something that you're not so comfortable with. Okay. You thought that was kind of rude. Right. If you said it during the interview, you know, I think that's kind of rude.36:41 You wouldn't do that. You would wait until you get off the interview. You would talk to her privately. I would. That's the difference. Because I have a relationship with her. No. He had a relationship with me. We were friends. That's the difference. If you write it publicly, you're trying to hurt me. If you write it privately, you care. Let me think about that. I guess it would feel weird if someone that I had a relationship with did that. Yeah.37:11 And corrected you in public? Just like a kid yelling at you in a restaurant. But corrected me or challenged me. Are those different? No. I mean, usually the challenge is a correction. For example, I posted electric vehicles are not a good investment. This was years ago.37:39 But I challenged everybody, I go, look, it's still way too expensive, battery replacement, car repairs, it's still not a logical investment. That's what I said in the beginning, okay? He literally wrote why EVs are good. Yeah, I don't know that that would be... Okay, let me give you another example. Well, I mean, doesn't it make the conversation...38:09 I mean, I get... It wasn't a conversation. I didn't ask anybody's opinion. If I ask an opinion, I end it with a question mark. I don't know. I don't know that I would... Why do you think I wouldn't take it as a disrespect? Because you don't have 10,000 people following you. But you think if there were 10,000 people listening...38:40 that I would care that someone did that? You think I would? Me? I don't know. You would have to have walked my path and realized. But it's real simple. I mean, you could do it in a conversation. What? You could do it in a conversation. Even here, you could do it in a conversation. Okay, so let me ask you a question. If... If...39:10 trying to say why would he write it publicly why would he not talk to me privately well why what is the one reason he posted a challenge to me i think i think i'm just using me why i would do it first of all if you're my friend i would i would be like dude you know but39:34 I probably would word it in a way to where it wasn't so confrontational. No, straight up. No, I know. I know. I know because I'm, I'm getting there because I have to kind of say, but if I didn't and I wrote it like, no, you're wrong. That would feel like a, if we were friends. Right. But if,39:57 why would i do that i think because i posted you would have posted any anything if we were friends no i know probably called me i i would have but let's say i'm saying let's say we're not right and i'm just you're just a you know a youtuber guy and um i wrote no i would i god i may have even done that i would probably like no because you said in front of everybody40:24 You've said it in front of everybody. I want to at least rebut it in front of everybody. Why? So that we can have an open conversation or you can go, Oh, why do you care about everybody? Because I want people to do more. I want people to buy EVs. I want people to adopt it more. It's better for you to post about it. Buying EVs. Why do you got to post it in my audience? Well, because I would think that I was worried about you giving out incorrect information.40:57 But if I'm giving an opinion, but if I'm giving you, you know, facts and, you know, let's say, you know, it's facts. It'd be different if I could, even if it was opinion, if I'd said, Oh, I hear you. I would, I don't agree. I think it really is a good thing. But the moment you rebut anything about EVs, I wouldn't know you're an electric vehicle owner. Of course I'm electric vehicle, but why is that? I can almost guarantee he is.41:23 So what? That doesn't change whether it's seen as disrespect or not, right? No, no, no. It's just an observation. Okay. But it wouldn't be done out of disrespect, Jack, even if I did that. It might just be stupid. I'm just stupid because I would totally do that to someone, not you. How about me writing...41:45 hey jim you know i write something personal about you okay that's different wait publicly i know but we're friends you're saying you're like what's the difference though private public because it's private because it has more impact right doesn't have more impact you it has more impact against you always okay so think about it 100 is always against you42:11 Okay, so it has more impact because I'm a brother or a friend, right? So I would not do that. I would be much more aware of that. Right, right. He would always challenge publicly everything. But even before he was friends with you, he was like that. But I don't know that I haven't written someone who said, hey, dude, I don't agree. Like, X, Y, Z. Like, I don't know. I don't see that as being disrespectful. I'm not saying it's not. I'm saying I don't see it that way. Wait, wait.42:42 The difference is you just did it once. You did it once a year, twice a year, whatever. He did it 100% of my posts. I could talk about how beautiful the day is. He would come up with something against that it's raining somewhere else or it's flooding. What did you do with the post? Did you answer or did you take it down? Well, at first I just left it alone. I didn't answer it. Okay.43:11 After that, I started taking him down. Then he would write me publicly, privately. Hey, why did you take down my post? Okay, stop right there for a second. Okay, dude, now you're going out of your way. I know, I know. Stop right there for a second. So do you think if he was trying to be disrespectful, if he was like, oh, I'm getting really, that he would reach out to you privately and43:39 Do you think he would, if he was like, I don't like him and I want to show how stupid he is. If he was respectful, he would have wrote me privately the first time. No, I don't think, I don't know that I have that as a... If I talk to you about it, let's say I call and go, Jim, if you're going to correct me, please don't do it in front of my audience.44:02 Please do it privately. I get that. You're my brother. I get that. You would never do it again. I know, I know. But I want to say if somebody does that and you said, let's go down that road. And he asked him to and he did it again. I mean, either and then you No, finish that. Either what? Well, I was going to say44:33 if if he does that either he's stupid like he's either mental right i don't think he's stupid but go ahead or or or he's really trying to hurt you but but here's my question my question is why would he why would he go privately44:58 If he wants to do it, if this is a public thing, like someone that does that doesn't say, hey, why are you doing that? Like, they would be like, because at that point, he opens himself up to being confronted, right? I mean, he's like, dude, you're like being totally respect. I don't think he gets it is my point. No, I literally have spoken to him word for word. I understand that. I believe you do. And I believe you communicated clearly.45:26 I'm not saying the issue is on your side. I think it's on his side where you automatically said, oh, he's a regular guy. He's normal. He understands the social. Then he is stupid. That's my point, Jack. I don't think he is. I don't think he is. Well, then why would he gain – well, he must be stupid because –45:54 He knows you have all the control. You can take down his comments. He didn't want to lose you as a friend. You asked him, and he still didn't get it. Like, he still honestly didn't see that he was doing that, is my point. You know what the final straw was that he did? Well, I mean, that he did it publicly. No, it wasn't that. It wasn't confronting. Oh. Even though he always did that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I talked to him about that. Yeah. The final straw. You know I do videos every week called Food News. Yeah. Okay.46:24 I produce a video, put it up on YouTube. It's a part of my regular schedule. Yeah. Okay. And I would post it in my food group. Okay. On Facebook. All right. He literally went to chat to BT, had it spit out a bunch of food news, titled food news at the top and posted it in my group.46:47 I'm like, dude, you know I do food news. Why are you posting food news? Why don't you come up with your own channel? Stop right there for a second. You have every right to be upset. I totally get that. But if somebody does that, they're not all there, Jack. That's my point.47:04 So wait, Jack, if I said, hey, I'm going to be Jack Attack, you'd be like, what the fuck? I'm like, hey, and I get a hat on, and I start doing a white goatee. You'd be like, okay, Jack, that's called a red flag. Can you say red flag? Wait, the fact that you...47:29 You see, if somebody does that to me, I go, look, don't confront me. Don't go up. You challenge me. Hold on, let me finish. You challenge me and everything. And he's like, okay, look, I don't think I do that, but all right, I get you. And then literally the next day he does it. I think he's stupid. Like I think he's really not all, like he's missing social cues.47:50 right jack yeah i mean that's a unless he was like unless he's like oh i'm really gonna get jack now like like he has to be that guy he's that guy he's either that guy or he's really stupid he's one too he didn't even post it on his personal page he only posted it in my group okay my point48:14 you're making my that's what sets me okay i know but once you know he's that guy and and he's like that was the last straw i know but i i wouldn't even get mad i'd be like oh you're that guy like why you didn't you know i've written that before but i know that guy on facebook like right like getting mad he48:37 He's not even going to get that. Cause he's, was he like, why? I never do that. Are you kidding? I never, I wouldn't. He doesn't even see it. He didn't say that. So weird. You said that. Because my point is.48:52 after you, like, were friends, and you seemed to, like, get along, and then you asked him to do something, and then he literally came right and did exactly what you asked him not to, and then was like, and then went in your private to go, hey, dude, why? What? Like, you're like...49:09 You don't even explain. Here's my thing. If you have to tell, it's an old thing. If you have to tell a woman in a white dress to step over the mud puddle, you've heard me say this, then when you do tell her, she's not going to get it. If you have to tell her, hey, you're in a wedding dress, don't step over the mud puddle, go around. If you have to tell her that, she's not going to get it because she's so far gone, right? If you have to tell someone that, and if you have to tell them, and then he did it, it doesn't matter49:39 I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But why? You know he's already touched. And then he goes to your private like, hey, but why? Hey, why did you do that? You're like, dude, like, he's already, like, right. He's already, like, I don't, I, but here's the part that I want to talk to you about. You got mad. You didn't go, huh, you're not well.50:08 Yeah, because I literally thought he was a smart person. That's what upset me. How about you use it? I literally told you don't. I know, but the logic of it. You even said, I literally told you. Anybody where you have to go, I literally just said that.50:27 There's socially something's not right about that particular setup. Okay, okay. All right, go to the next question. I don't want to run out of time. Does that make sense, though? Yeah, I get it. I totally get it. Yeah, I mean, he's not right. I gave him too much of the benefit of the doubt. Well, I don't think he gets it. I mean, I think he really doesn't get it. Now, you're right. I've spoken out to him. I can't go any other way. Wait, you did – the part that is interesting –50:56 is that you gave him more benefit of the doubt than you actually said, oh no, I'm clear, I was clear, you're not well, right? Where part of you challenges that it was an affront. Like you took- I know what you're saying. Part of me feels it's calculated.51:26 And the other part, where it probably wasn't calculated, he just didn't comprehend. Right. That's the part. That's the part I was struggling to say. I was going to say, but no, what you said is way better. Because I was going to say, you take on part of that. It's your fault. And it's not that. I gave him too much credit is what I did. Yeah. But I don't have a problem with that. It's not that that I'm challenging. I think I'm challenging...51:57 why you missed the logic that he's not well. I don't think any, I mean, I never think about any of my viewers or friends not being well. But the logic of it. Or stupid, or whatever. I don't know. I've come across people that way a lot, where I'm like,52:24 You had a big following. I'm sure you engaged with someone. Yeah, but I see red flags quickly. They blame me? I guess it was my fault? Yeah, we're running out of time, too. No, I'm not blaming you. No, it's not a blame. It's not a blame. I think you really...52:53 I think, okay, here's the difference between you and I. I think I got it. Is I never think someone is attacking me, even if they do. No, I think opposite. Right. And I think that it's usually with something within them.53:17 that I trigger something within them. Or... I never thought he was stupid until today. I mean, I'm not... And stupid is not a word. I think socially unaware, which is a real... We call it socially awkward, but it's socially... He's missing key cues. Those are really... That's a real psychological profile.53:45 Oh, you mean the direct, don't do this and do it, and he does it? Right. And then when he does it, it should be a, oh, okay, well, thank you. It's been a lot of fun being your friend. And I took it as, he deliberately tried to hurt me again. Right. And he never did. What's the, I always do, what's the win? How do you see win from that? Well, he has plenty of time to think about it.54:14 You can't watch my videos anymore. All right, listen, what we should do is a part two, a second video. All right, we'll do more because I didn't get to ask a lot of stuff. But I think there's really, there's something here that I want to say where it's how you see yourself.54:40 is actually the disconnect. Because I think your viewers probably see you in two ways, right? They either like you or don't. But there's more people that like you that don't. But I think the way... Oh, by the way, the nice people never talk. Of course, it's always like that, right? Yeah. But I think it's the way you see yourself, which is the part that I want to kind of drill down to next time.55:08 That's fine. I'll hold on to your questions. I will. I will. We'll go over them again. All right. It was good. It was good. I think because I – let me just briefly because I still have seven minutes. I still – because I never – I don't see you as having a temper outside of the family. I think you're really kind of careful. I may be wrong, but I'm just saying that's how I see you. But I've always seen you as being really –55:35 emotional but not in a bad way someone who is cares really cares like you know i mean like you really connect you connect and are affected by people um and it's funny i don't even know where that came from i don't know i don't i think you were like that even before you went to church55:57 But I think, I don't know where that, I don't know where that, and I think there is something also, that's the first thing, and I'll write it down, is I think there was a, oh, remember when I said, when I called you and I said, I really didn't realize that when you were really, really young, we just didn't pay attention to you or we didn't include you, which was a bigger thing56:28 you could have read it as you weren't loved or didn't have value. And that was never the case. It was never the case. Like no one ever said, Oh, Jack's annoying, like, was never. It was never but that and I didn't think about it. Because I mean, when you were like, as you got older, like even a junior high, nobody, right. But you still remember56:56 the really young times, really young, like from kindergarten to like fourth, fifth grade, where you're like, oh, I really felt left out. Okay. Okay. So for four or five years, you felt left out. It was like a big, right? It was like a big impact on you. Like it was four or five years. I don't know. Nowadays, before we get shut off, I57:24 Literally, if there's a kid in the room that seems like he's not included in anything, I'm drawn to that kid. I'll talk to I don't know why. Probably because I was the kid in the room. Oh, God, Jack, that's genius. You think so? I put one and one together. That was great. So we are doing a part two? Yeah, we'll have to because I want to talk more about57:53 why you think that had such a big impact when it was such a little time. And I don't know that you have it in your head as it was such a small moment in time, but it had huge impact. I'll think about it and then we can talk about it. All right. All right. I love you. Have a great day. Thank you. Do you call me bro? Yeah.58:19 You're not my brother. Yeah, but I know you never called me bro. Okay. Hey, Dipcrack. I'll see you later. You've never called me Dipcrack either. What do I call you then? I don't know. Have you called me bro before? Yeah. I called y'all bro this morning. You called us bro? Really? Really?58:44 Okay, smudge on my computer screen. How about that? No, I've never. How do you smudge on my computer screen? I don't know. I'm just saying I don't ever remember you saying that. All right, say goodbye. We're going to get cut off. All right, I love you. All right, I'll save this. I'll save the files here. All right, bye. Bye.