0:00 We'll be right back.0:21 But I want to start with, first, a headline. There are headlines that say, I don't know what a PSYOP is. I don't know. I guess it's propaganda, psychological warfare. Yeah. Another word for that. It's just something to make you think a certain way. Well, there's the PSYOP going around, a warning, right?0:49 that big Christian leaders, they're trying to convince them that aliens are real. That has nothing to do with whether we agree, disagree, but01:03 There was a warning going around. I thought, that's kind of weird. So maybe the government is planning something, I don't know, to control the people. But there's this Christian warning that the leaders will be convinced, sided with the government, and start talking about aliens. I haven't heard anything yet.01:27 Well, some of the Christian leaders out there on YouTube, people like Perry Stone and all those guys, they're talking about a secret meeting that they had with –01:47 Government a government official and some other industry leaders saying that what's about to get disclosed is that they they need to be ready for it and the Christian world needs to be ready for it because it's going to.02:06 blow their socks off right it's gonna uh it's gonna be so uh mind-blowing that they're not going to be able to handle it and uh uh now that come to find out that the uh talk about the meeting was over exaggerated and that's not really what they talked about but yeah the and the government is uh02:30 releasing information now too and that's really what's bringing this subject out so it's just crazy out there yeah so let's get to the question sure okay are there really aliens and ufos02:48 Are there? Do you want to go first? I can go either. Well, let me go first. All right. All right. Because I believe we're opposite. So my belief, twofold, there's two reasons. Number one, my walk in faith has always been, if the Bible says do it, do it. Yep, me too, Jack. If the Bible says don't do it,03:16 Don't do it. That's what I love about you. Yeah, and it's real simple. If the Bible doesn't speak about it, some topic that maybe didn't exist back in biblical times, well, then you have to dive a little deeper, think a little bit stronger. But nowhere in the Bible does it tell me there's no other life.03:43 The Bible says nothing, okay? The other fact is that I live on is infinity. If space is infinite, there's got to be another planet that supports life. There's got to be another planet and another sun that are pretty much the same distance as Earth is from the sun.04:09 It's infinite, it's forever. The odds of those two things happening are really high because it is infinite. So with those two facts, the Bible didn't tell me there's no other life. The universe is infinite. Chances are I could believe there's another form of life. It may be a bug.04:37 It may be a fish in water. I don't know. But I believe it could be. That's my thought. Wow. Yeah, I wasn't expecting that. That's amazing. So you think that these things they're seeing and they can't explain are beings from another planet?05:01 Oh, no, no, no. I'm not supporting what the government's reporting. I'm not supporting what anybody's seen in their toast. I'm supporting what the Bible says and what infinity tells me. That's all.05:18 Okay, I'm going to... Before I was a Christian, I believed like you. It's so big and so vast. And I mean, when you look at... There's billions of galaxies out there. Not just planets like ours, but galaxies, right? And when you see the pictures, especially with that James Webb telescope, when you see the pictures, it's so...05:46 Wait, is that a word? I guess. I don't know. I need a word that just explains the vastness of it. It's so huge and so incredibly large. It makes us look like a little grain of sand amongst all the beaches of the world. You know what I'm saying? Our universe, really. So I used to believe, yes.06:16 We're not alone. There's got to be alien life out there because of just the sheer probabilities. And I've read every Eric Von Daniken book that he ever wrote. He's a famous UFO guy. And when I was in high school, I was reading all of his books. I believed it 100%.06:36 But since becoming a Christian, the Bible doesn't tell us that there's life on other planets. The Bible only discusses the earth and makes the earth sort of the center of everything. So I look at it differently.06:57 little bit differently I don't believe that even out of the vastness that there is that God created everything he created all that and he created it for his glory but I do not think there is life on any place else other than on earth and huh can I ask you a question yeah sure well finish your thought first sorry07:24 Well, there's a theory in scientific circles, and I forget the name of it. The Fermi Paradox, maybe, is what it's called. But that is that if there was life, they'd already be here. You know, the universe is firm.07:51 14, supposedly 14 billions of years old, they should have been here by now. They should be here by now. Another thing is that, well, they're not here because even traveling at the speed of light, they couldn't have gotten here by now. The closest place that is potentially capable of having life is08:18 they couldn't have made it here by now. They would have to travel for billions of light years to get here, right? So, you know, and they couldn't survive even just trying to make the trip. So, but at the end of the day, I don't, the Bible doesn't tell us that there is, so therefore I'm not going to extrapolate that there is. I'm going to believe that it's just us,08:43 And there's life on earth. God created it himself, but he also created all the other. It's just unbelievable. But nope, since I've been a Christian, that's what I believe. Now, I do believe that there is life there.09:03 In other realms, there's angels, there's demons, there's things that we can't see with our physical eyes. There's a whole other dimension, an unseen realm that we don't see, and I believe that there's life there. Okay, so what scripture supports what you're saying by there is no other life?09:31 Okay. First of all, let me say something. What the government is doing, I'm glad they're releasing the information, but I don't trust them. For 80 years, they said, there is no UFOs, nothing to see here. And they discredited people. People lost their jobs. People lost their credibility. They completely denied it for 80 years. 80 years. And then all of a sudden, they're like, oh, wait.10:02 Yes, there is something, and we can't explain it, and we're going to go ahead and release it. So what are we to believe? I can't trust them. I don't trust them. I didn't trust them. You can't trust them. And they are releasing things, and the things that they've released...10:19 are just little lights moving around. And they're so grainy, you can't tell what the heck they are. Where's the high-resolution photos? Have you ever noticed that? Yeah. Things you can't believe are blurry and shaky. You're like, can anybody film? Like, we've been on our phones forever.10:42 Yeah. Jack, it's crazy. Blurry and shaky. Yeah. Yeah. It's, and there's nothing that you can really make out and definitively say, Oh, now that looks like something. Um, it's all, all grainy. It's all, uh, uh, you know, shaky and it's just, uh, actually for today's modern age, it's, it's looks terrible. Yeah. I mean, people do better on their cell phones than they, than the government does with their high tech stuff. Um,11:12 And not as good as the moon landing. They got that perfect. Yeah. Unbelievable. But I do believe that there are creatures in other realms. Just for instance, Ezekiel. Let me jump over here. Go ahead. Yeah. Ezekiel says...11:36 Then I looked, and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the north, a great cloud with raging fire engulfing itself, and brightness was all around.11:46 And radiating out of its midst like the color of amber, out of the midst of fire. And also from within it came the likeness of four living creatures. Okay, it's saying four living creatures. And this was their appearance. They had the likeness of a man. Each one had four faces and four wings. Their legs were straight. The soles of their feet were like the soles of calves' feet.12:09 They sparkled like the color of burnished bronze. The hands of a man were under their wings on their four sides, and each of the four had faces and wings. Their wings touched one another. The creatures did not turn when they went, but each one went straight forward."12:26 So right there, we see that there's other creatures. Those are seraphim, is what they call them. And then you also see that there was some kind of a craft that he saw with fire and the clouds. And Ezekiel goes on to talk about how he saw a wheel within a wheel and that each one of the creatures was on a wheel. And I'm going, okay...12:53 When we think of UFOs, we think of space, we think of science fiction, because that's how we were conditioned. But people in the Bible, they didn't have science fiction. They explained things based on what they knew and what they were familiar with. So...13:10 There's many scriptures like that. You can go to 2 Kings 2.11. It says, So these chariots of fire came down and Elijah went up with them. We don't have a record of Elijah ever dying. We believe that God just took him.13:40 I honestly don't believe Stephen died. I believe he was taken right there after being stoned. Yeah, maybe. He just lifted him up. I believe that. Wow. But yeah, so there's so many scriptures. I can give you another one. In 2 Kings 6.15, it says... Go ahead.14:01 So he answered, he said, There was only two of them and an army of people, right? Right.14:25 and Elisha prayed and said, Lord, I pray, open his eyes that he may see. And then the Lord opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw, and behold, a mountain full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. So there was something in the unseen realm that he couldn't see that Elisha could see, and he prayed for that guy to see it, and then his servant saw it as well. So14:51 I do believe that there is another realm, and the things that we're seeing and the things that the government is reporting are the ones – some of them – actually, the majority of them can probably be explained by things that we see, but there's a few of them that you can't explain.15:12 um so i think those ones that they can't explain are probably manifestations from the uh unseen realm okay so basically let's say they are let's say we finally prove there are other life forms on other planets um it wouldn't be anti-biblical because the bible doesn't say there aren't15:41 Right? That's true. Including another set of humans. I mean...15:46 We don't know. Yeah, we just don't know. Now, my personal feeling is I don't believe that there's life on other planets. I believe that life is about what's going on with us, which may be kind of selfish, but I just choose not to believe it. But it's just sort of a personal thing with me. It's not really supported by Scripture because Scripture doesn't say Earth is the only planet with life.16:13 Right. And that's what I'm holding on to. I mean, that's what lets me believe what I believe. But so whoever's out there in watching this video, let us know what you believe, what you don't believe. Is it a Joe world or is it a Jack world? The universe is huge.16:39 So we're going to find out what you think. But basically, no matter what you think, the Bible doesn't say contrary because it doesn't speak on it. Right. Don't feel like you're anti-Christian. Right. And you're not a follower of Christ believing there might be. I mean, as far as I know, unless you guys can show me a scripture, it doesn't address it. Yeah. So a lot of things...17:08 A lot of things John saw futuristic on the island when he was writing John 1, 2, and 3. Absolutely, yeah. That he saw things that haven't been developed yet. Right. So when he says it has four face, it could be four monitors. It could be a computer. It could be anything. When he says it moves back, forward, left, and right, it could be a new type of tank.17:36 So realize not everything has been described exactly what it is. Some of the things he did the best, like you said, they did when they described things.17:50 they describe what they saw. Right. And if it looked like an L, they would say it looked like an L. Yeah. They wouldn't call it, oh, well, looks like an AI data center. Nope. Right, right. It's the shape of an L. It looks like an L. Yeah. So,18:08 Either way, if there isn't, if there is, it doesn't matter. If it's God's will to do another set of humans on another planet, so be it. He can be everywhere. He can do everything. He's perfect. He can do whatever he wants. Yeah, yeah.18:28 But you don't believe that those things that people are seeing, there is something going on where people are seeing some things that can't be explained. You don't think that's from another planet? No, I believe we're being fed. Oh, you think it's a lie? Yeah, I think it's all a lie. I think it's slowly coming out. It will come out piece by piece. It'll pick up speed. We'll see a hologram in the sky.18:54 It's all a lie. It really is. There's no reason for them to tell us. If they waited this many years, why tell us now? What can we do now that we couldn't do in the 60s? Yeah, that's what I don't like. But I do think some of them that can't be explained is probably demonic activity or angelic activity. I could believe that. Have you seen that website that the government has where they release that?19:22 No, don't send me the rabbit hole website. Don't do it. Oh, gosh. I'm going to go on that website and I'll be busy for an hour. Oh, man, it's crazy. I'll send you the link. But here, can I just show it to you real quick? Let me just show you. You can show it to me, but do me a favor.19:43 Okay, just show it to me. Whatever. We're not saying this website is supported biblically or anything. It just exists. Can you see that? Yeah. Okay, look at this. This is the U.S. Department of War. And they have, in the menu, they have UFO. And you just click on that. So you just go to war.gov and then go to UFOs.20:11 and they've got all of these here look at this one they got all these videos where they're showing like weird weird stuff um here's one that has like instant acceleration they don't know what it is it's just a white dot and all of a sudden it just goes off the screen what what are we filming on our on our toaster20:35 What is that? I know. It's infrared. They say, well, this is an infrared. There, it's gone. And that's the whole video. It was a flashlight, and then it's gone. Yeah, yeah.20:49 I really hate those videos that aren't clear. No, they're not clear. They leave you hanging. So just don't trust the government. They're just giving you enough information. They like you to be fearful. God doesn't want us to have fear.21:07 He wants us to know that he's in control and not to worry about these things. There's nothing to worry about. God's in control. And ultimately, he's coming back again. And these things were all predicted. He said there's going to be signs in the skies. There's going to be earthquakes, volcanoes. There's going to be all kinds of things going on. It's going to be like in the days of Noah, and then he'll return. And we are not to be fearful, but we are supposed to be expected.21:37 of his return so i won't be surprised either way it will prove there's no life it which i can't imagine proving it negative but if we prove there is life have you ever noticed that aliens coming to earth always is a bad thing they're never here to bring cake21:59 What is that, donuts? You literally flew 27,000 light years to bring me Krispy Kreme? We got one. Yeah, we were developed before you, by the way. We were created before you. Okay, so really, all kidding aside...22:20 First of all, we'd love to hear from you guys. We'd love to know what you think. You heard what we think. We are on opposite sides. I thought so. But you know what? It's all cool. Yeah. We're open to real information. So share what you got. You good?22:40 Yeah, I'm good. I'm good, Jack. It's a great subject, and everybody's talking about it. But we just need to understand that God's in control, not the government, not the CDC. He's in control. He's our healer. He's our supply. He is our good word. And so I always try to look at Bible first.23:04 Anytime there's something new coming out or some kind of a release of some information, I'm always looking at Scripture first, and then I'll weigh it out based on the lens of Scripture. It's called discernment. Yeah. Okay, so hang on for a minute because I want to talk to you off air. Okay. But maybe we'll come up with a new topic next week. Okay. All right, brother. I'm ready.